Smokeball AI for Law Firms: Upcoming Releases

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Join Smokeball's Ruchie Chadha, President, and Jordan Turk, Legal Technology Advisor, as they discuss the launch of Smokeball's groundbreaking Artificial Intelligence (AI) functionality, designed to elevate legal professionals, and optimize their existing workflows and productivity. With regard to Artificial Intelligence, Smokeball firmly believes that AI won't replace small law practitioners, but those leveraging AI for efficiency will eclipse those who don't.

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00:00:07:14 - 00:00:10:04 Welcome to LNPR, the podcast where

00:00:10:04 - 00:00:13:15 we put a spotlight on the latest news coming out of the legal tech industry.

00:00:13:15 - 00:00:14:18 This is Bob Ambrogi.

00:00:14:18 - 00:00:18:18 And today we're doing a special live episode of LNPR.

00:00:18:18 - 00:00:23:07 We're here at ABA Tech Show and we're here to feature some news

00:00:23:07 - 00:00:27:10 just announced this week from the Law Practice management company Smoke Ball.

00:00:27:23 - 00:00:30:12 And joining me today to tell us

00:00:30:12 - 00:00:33:20 about this news are two people from Smokeball.

00:00:33:20 - 00:00:36:00 And I'm going to have you introduce yourself.

00:00:36:00 - 00:00:37:11 Thanks, Bob.

00:00:37:11 - 00:00:40:03 Ruchi Chadha, president of Smoke Ball, USA.

00:00:40:06 - 00:00:44:17 I'm also a licensed attorney, though I don't practice anymore.

00:00:44:17 - 00:00:47:06 But yeah, head up the U.S. office.

00:00:47:06 - 00:00:48:07 And I'm Jordan Turk.

00:00:48:07 - 00:00:51:11 I am the legal technology advisor at Smoke Ball, and I also am

00:00:51:11 - 00:00:54:13 a practicing family law attorney down in Texas. So,

00:00:54:14 - 00:00:58:04 Ruchi, why don't you start by summarizing what it is you announced this week?

00:00:58:08 - 00:01:00:17 Well, the buzzword of the of the year.

00:01:01:11 - 00:01:03:14 Oh, yeah. Have you heard of it?

00:01:04:23 - 00:01:06:04 We announced

00:01:06:04 - 00:01:10:15 this week a suite of API features that we'll be releasing starting just in

00:01:10:15 - 00:01:14:14 the next few weeks and throughout the year that we're really excited about.

00:01:14:14 - 00:01:18:10 Fully embedded into the product and really enhancing the the work

00:01:18:10 - 00:01:19:14 that are our attorneys

00:01:19:14 - 00:01:23:07 and our firms already do within within the mobile platform itself.

00:01:23:09 - 00:01:25:09 So yeah, very excited. Yeah.

00:01:25:09 - 00:01:27:07 You know, before we get into some of the specifics,

00:01:27:07 - 00:01:29:16 like Jordan, I want to ask you because I know you're a lawyer,

00:01:29:16 - 00:01:30:21 you practice still.

00:01:30:21 - 00:01:32:08 We've been talking so much about

00:01:32:08 - 00:01:35:05 AI this week at Tech Show in general in the industry.

00:01:35:05 - 00:01:36:22 You've got this announcement this week.

00:01:36:22 - 00:01:38:11 Why does this even matter to lawyers?

00:01:38:11 - 00:01:40:18 Why do we care about AI for law practice?

00:01:40:23 - 00:01:43:23 I kind of think it's equivalent to how we treated legal tech.

00:01:44:01 - 00:01:47:16 You know, ten, 12 years ago, where a lot of people thought, oh,

00:01:47:21 - 00:01:49:06 I don't need this for my practice.

00:01:49:06 - 00:01:50:19 It's just going to put me out of a job.

00:01:50:19 - 00:01:52:23 This isn't something that I need to concern myself with.

00:01:53:06 - 00:01:56:13 But then you see your colleagues and your compatriots that have

00:01:56:13 - 00:02:00:00 legal technology that actually seem like they have a decent social life

00:02:00:03 - 00:02:02:03 and seem like they have a life outside of work,

00:02:02:03 - 00:02:04:06 and also seems like they're making a good amount of money.

00:02:04:12 - 00:02:06:23 And so you figure out, oh, what are they doing that I'm not doing?

00:02:06:23 - 00:02:09:19 Oh, looks like they are practice management software or something similar.

00:02:09:19 - 00:02:10:01 Right.

00:02:10:01 - 00:02:13:18 And so I think AI's kind of the next phase of that

00:02:13:19 - 00:02:15:20 where if you're not using it,

00:02:15:20 - 00:02:17:16 your colleagues are going to start using it,

00:02:17:16 - 00:02:19:17 they're going to start generating more revenue,

00:02:19:18 - 00:02:21:05 they're going to start getting more clients.

00:02:21:05 - 00:02:22:20 And you're kind of going to be left in the dust

00:02:22:20 - 00:02:26:06 just like it was with legal tech, you know, Allah 12 years ago.

00:02:26:21 - 00:02:27:09 Yeah, I know.

00:02:27:09 - 00:02:31:09 In announcing it, you've emphasized the idea that AI isn't going to put out

00:02:31:14 - 00:02:35:02 put lawyers out of business, but lawyers who use A.I.

00:02:35:18 - 00:02:38:07 will be more effective than those who don't, right?

00:02:38:07 - 00:02:39:10 Right. Yes.

00:02:39:10 - 00:02:43:12 I think that taking advantage of any tools, especially technology tools

00:02:43:12 - 00:02:48:05 that help help you work smarter, not harder, is is the right thing to do.

00:02:48:05 - 00:02:52:05 And I think implementing A.I., leveraging that technology certainly is

00:02:52:11 - 00:02:55:06 is an example of that that's coming and it's coming quickly.

00:02:55:14 - 00:02:58:17 So can you talk a little bit more specifically about

00:02:59:01 - 00:03:02:05 what some of the features are that you announced this week

00:03:02:06 - 00:03:07:13 and when lawyers or when users expect to see them become available?

00:03:07:17 - 00:03:08:15 Yeah, absolutely.

00:03:08:15 - 00:03:11:09 So what we talked about this week and specifically we're able to demo

00:03:11:09 - 00:03:14:00 this week is a feature set called Matter A.I.

00:03:14:00 - 00:03:15:07 and Matter A.I.

00:03:15:07 - 00:03:16:21 is taking all of the information

00:03:16:21 - 00:03:20:21 that already exists within a Smokeball banner, all the rich details we capture,

00:03:21:02 - 00:03:24:14 and it's allowing the user to ask questions of the matter.

00:03:25:00 - 00:03:30:07 Take the answers to those questions and quickly draft legal correspondence emails.

00:03:30:07 - 00:03:33:13 Continue to use that information to get even deeper and deeper

00:03:33:13 - 00:03:35:11 in answering the questions that they have.

00:03:35:11 - 00:03:41:18 And so we just launched that this week, and it will be out in beta in March.

00:03:41:23 - 00:03:44:14 So that's where we're looking just a few weeks away.

00:03:44:19 - 00:03:48:16 But really imagine this just go on this journey with me that

00:03:48:16 - 00:03:52:14 if I have a client, fill out a timeline worksheet, you know, that's usually

00:03:53:00 - 00:03:56:08 ten plus pages of just random information that they put on a worksheet.

00:03:56:16 - 00:03:59:11 And I'm maybe in the middle of court or I'm in the middle

00:03:59:11 - 00:04:00:12 of trying to draft something.

00:04:00:12 - 00:04:02:18 And I remembered at some point that my client told me

00:04:03:00 - 00:04:05:09 that the opposing party took the child out of the state,

00:04:05:09 - 00:04:06:11 but I can't remember what

00:04:06:11 - 00:04:09:01 that was, what year it was, where it is on this timeline,

00:04:09:01 - 00:04:12:12 if it's even in this timeline or maybe it's in a response to discovery document,

00:04:12:19 - 00:04:16:04 that's somewhere in my system I can ask Smoke ball.

00:04:16:10 - 00:04:18:15 When was the child taken out of the state?

00:04:18:15 - 00:04:21:02 When did opposing party take the child out of the state?

00:04:21:02 - 00:04:22:19 And I can get that answer back.

00:04:22:19 - 00:04:26:15 And so it's just really saving you that time instead of having to hunt

00:04:26:15 - 00:04:27:15 through all of your documents.

00:04:27:15 - 00:04:29:11 But it can also consolidate these documents

00:04:29:11 - 00:04:31:15 and tell you where that information is coming from.

00:04:31:19 - 00:04:33:21 So maybe it'll say, oh, the child was taken

00:04:33:21 - 00:04:37:15 out of the state in March of 2022, and then it's going to say, oh,

00:04:37:15 - 00:04:40:16 and that, by the way, is taken from this timeline document

00:04:40:16 - 00:04:43:09 that the client filled out and a link to that timeline document

00:04:43:09 - 00:04:45:17 so you can check your work as you go along.

00:04:45:17 - 00:04:49:10 So it's like being able to interact with your matters in a more conversational way.

00:04:49:11 - 00:04:50:16 That's exactly right.

00:04:50:16 - 00:04:54:05 And the power of AI lets you do it in a matter of seconds,

00:04:54:05 - 00:04:57:06 as opposed to finding the document, looking through it.

00:04:57:06 - 00:04:58:13 Sometimes these documents are 40,

00:04:58:13 - 00:05:03:04 50 pages long and then having to take that information out and summarizing it

00:05:03:06 - 00:05:07:01 in an email or another document or word document, it just

00:05:07:01 - 00:05:10:16 takes all of that out and instantaneously puts it in your fingertips.

00:05:10:19 - 00:05:12:08 Yeah, it bringing this to smoke.

00:05:12:08 - 00:05:14:16 Paul, I know two of the concerns that we keep

00:05:14:16 - 00:05:16:06 hearing lawyers talk about with regard to

00:05:17:06 - 00:05:18:23 one is hallucinations and the

00:05:18:23 - 00:05:22:15 other is security of the information that they're putting into the eye.

00:05:22:22 - 00:05:26:13 So can you talk about how you're you know, whether they need to be worried

00:05:26:13 - 00:05:28:22 about that with these implementations of A.I. in Smokeball?

00:05:29:13 - 00:05:31:13 Yeah, absolutely. There's a couple of ways.

00:05:31:13 - 00:05:35:06 If we talk specifically about matter A.I., there's two those two sides

00:05:35:06 - 00:05:38:00 of what you can do within within matter A.I.

00:05:38:09 - 00:05:43:11 You can ask your chat type format, which is open A.I.

00:05:43:12 - 00:05:47:04 and that is where you're you can ask anything and all the information

00:05:47:04 - 00:05:50:00 you're actually putting in there is also open, right?

00:05:50:07 - 00:05:54:03 And so you want to be careful with what you're putting into those language

00:05:54:03 - 00:05:55:12 models, right? Yeah.

00:05:55:12 - 00:05:56:16 But the other side is

00:05:56:16 - 00:06:00:01 what we were talking about, say with matter is only asking the matter

00:06:00:01 - 00:06:03:21 specific, it's only asking what exists in Smokeball already.

00:06:03:21 - 00:06:05:21 And that information is secure.

00:06:05:21 - 00:06:08:08 It is siphoned away from open A.I.

00:06:08:08 - 00:06:10:05 That regular chat gpt.

00:06:10:05 - 00:06:14:00 It's only accessing what you've already entered into Smokeball.

00:06:14:00 - 00:06:15:10 Very safe, very secure.

00:06:15:10 - 00:06:17:01 Keeping you in your ecosystem.

00:06:17:01 - 00:06:19:14 Yeah. Yeah. And what about the hallucination issue?

00:06:19:21 - 00:06:23:00 Well, hallucination issue is a it is a given.

00:06:23:00 - 00:06:25:13 It is something that comes along with using AI.

00:06:25:14 - 00:06:27:18 And I think going back to what you said earlier,

00:06:27:23 - 00:06:30:23 why can't you take the human out of the practice of laws?

00:06:30:23 - 00:06:35:06 Because you do need you have to have that legal, ethical obligation

00:06:35:06 - 00:06:39:18 to check your work, make sure what you're putting out into the world is accurate.

00:06:39:23 - 00:06:43:03 And so it's a known enemy, but we have to be careful

00:06:43:03 - 00:06:45:06 and we have to double check with the work we're doing there

00:06:45:08 - 00:06:48:08 like no one can actually ever guarantee, which I feel like more companies

00:06:48:08 - 00:06:52:06 will try to do this whole thing of guaranteed no hallucinations.

00:06:52:06 - 00:06:56:00 And I guarantee that there aren't going to be any issues here with this.

00:06:56:00 - 00:06:57:16 And I think we're going to see more and more companies

00:06:57:16 - 00:07:01:04 try to say that and certify it, but I don't think that's necessarily possible.

00:07:01:11 - 00:07:02:04 Yeah,

00:07:02:10 - 00:07:06:02 but as you described in that scenario, you gave the journey we went on with you

00:07:06:10 - 00:07:09:09 that you're able to determine where

00:07:09:09 - 00:07:11:18 it's telling you, where it's getting this information

00:07:11:18 - 00:07:13:12 so you're able to validate the information.

00:07:13:12 - 00:07:15:18 So that's a workaround.

00:07:15:18 - 00:07:17:23 But having any concerns regarding hallucination?

00:07:18:00 - 00:07:18:05 Right.

00:07:18:05 - 00:07:20:01 Right. Well, and that's the other piece of the pie. Right.

00:07:20:01 - 00:07:22:19 And that's what most states are going to start requiring anyway

00:07:22:19 - 00:07:26:10 when it comes to using a I like Florida, the rules that they just promulgated

00:07:26:16 - 00:07:30:20 where you have to treat essentially what they said almost like you're

00:07:30:20 - 00:07:33:21 you still are responsible for your non attorney work at the end of the day

00:07:33:21 - 00:07:35:04 that's your bar card on the line.

00:07:35:04 - 00:07:37:18 You are responsible for every non attorney in your practice.

00:07:38:01 - 00:07:40:04 And the work and the work product that they put out.

00:07:40:09 - 00:07:43:09 So at the end of the day you have to treat as Florida says you need to treat.

00:07:43:15 - 00:07:47:08 I like it's an employee of your firm where you still have to double check.

00:07:47:08 - 00:07:49:11 You still have to make sure that these results are correct.

00:07:49:11 - 00:07:51:14 At the end of the day, that's never going to go away.

00:07:51:14 - 00:07:53:00 So you talked about matter.

00:07:53:00 - 00:07:56:03 I and I know that's not all there is to the news that you announced this week.

00:07:56:03 - 00:07:58:12 So what are the other components of this?

00:07:58:12 - 00:08:01:05 Sure, I'll I'll start with auto time.

00:08:01:19 - 00:08:05:13 So Auto Time is a feature that we've had in Smokeball since the beginning.

00:08:05:13 - 00:08:09:06 It is a awesome feature if you've never seen it is tracking

00:08:09:06 - 00:08:11:16 every single thing that you're doing in Smokeball,

00:08:11:16 - 00:08:13:19 what matter you're in, what you're working on.

00:08:13:19 - 00:08:17:00 It's capturing the time we're doing and it's allowing you to

00:08:17:00 - 00:08:19:17 then take that back pantry of time.

00:08:20:00 - 00:08:23:15 You can manipulate it, modify it, update what the work is that

00:08:23:15 - 00:08:27:06 you're doing, and then easily able to translate that to an invoice.

00:08:27:12 - 00:08:30:11 And right now it still is the human taking it

00:08:30:12 - 00:08:34:13 that invoice entry and writing a description for it.

00:08:34:13 - 00:08:37:17 And what we're trying to do is to take that tedious work out

00:08:37:19 - 00:08:42:07 and create a beautifully tailored description of what you're doing for you.

00:08:42:12 - 00:08:45:12 It saves a lot of work, which we were joking about earlier.

00:08:45:12 - 00:08:48:21 Jordan was she she was a bad actor at her

00:08:48:21 - 00:08:52:15 last firm is not good about inputting my hours on a regular basis.

00:08:52:15 - 00:08:53:21 That was my issue.

00:08:53:21 - 00:08:57:10 Yeah, well, in a common issue that's the very common issue.

00:08:57:10 - 00:08:59:05 And so this just this is

00:08:59:05 - 00:09:02:17 this is an example of taking something that we already have that exists

00:09:02:17 - 00:09:06:11 and making it better and using a AI to help us make it better.

00:09:06:17 - 00:09:10:07 So not only is it tracking your time, but it's also then creating the time entry

00:09:10:07 - 00:09:11:11 saying, here's what you did

00:09:11:11 - 00:09:15:11 during this and it's learning how you like to put that time in.

00:09:15:11 - 00:09:19:10 So instead of just saying email sent to a blog, maybe you like to say

00:09:19:10 - 00:09:22:12 something like correspondence, you know, send things like that.

00:09:22:12 - 00:09:26:13 So it's going to start learning how you like to word your time entries or tone.

00:09:26:13 - 00:09:28:17 Yeah, things like that. So we'll start updating it with that.

00:09:28:20 - 00:09:30:05 Yeah. Yes, intake.

00:09:30:05 - 00:09:32:13 I, I'm a big fan of intake.

00:09:32:13 - 00:09:34:00 I'm very passionate about intake.

00:09:34:00 - 00:09:35:13 I do a lot of classes on intake.

00:09:35:13 - 00:09:37:19 So what I have done is clearly about it, honestly.

00:09:38:06 - 00:09:41:08 But to me it's one of the most important things that you can do for your practice.

00:09:41:08 - 00:09:45:02 So intake is actually going to be just the next logical step to that, right?

00:09:45:02 - 00:09:46:08 Whereas you can take

00:09:46:08 - 00:09:49:05 maybe you have a PDF that you always do for your intake documents.

00:09:49:05 - 00:09:51:07 Well, guess what? You can actually put that into intake.

00:09:52:00 - 00:09:54:04 It can make all the fields readable.

00:09:54:04 - 00:09:55:05 What am I trying to say. Yeah.

00:09:55:05 - 00:09:56:22 And then it'll put that also into

00:09:56:22 - 00:09:58:18 some mobile system when it's filled out by the client.

00:09:58:18 - 00:10:00:19 So it makes it into basically almost like a fill up old

00:10:01:01 - 00:10:02:23 form by your client, but they can fill it out

00:10:02:23 - 00:10:05:06 and then it's automatically all uploaded a to smuggle and you're

00:10:05:06 - 00:10:07:22 basically ready to go at that point with all the client details.

00:10:07:22 - 00:10:12:08 There's no redundancy of having to put in that information on the attorney side.

00:10:12:12 - 00:10:13:17 Yeah. So it's for the lawyers.

00:10:13:17 - 00:10:15:15 We have have an intake form.

00:10:15:15 - 00:10:19:04 They maybe it's a PDF, maybe it's word document this digitizes it lets them

00:10:19:14 - 00:10:23:14 put it in there their workflow system work and especially coming from a firm

00:10:23:14 - 00:10:26:08 where we had so many attorneys and everybody was a little bit different

00:10:26:08 - 00:10:28:19 and everybody had their own different intake paperwork

00:10:28:19 - 00:10:31:19 that they wanted to do, especially when the client signed on

00:10:31:19 - 00:10:33:13 and they would send them the rest of the intake.

00:10:33:13 - 00:10:35:20 So this just makes that process so much easier.

00:10:35:20 - 00:10:38:13 So the firm administrator is not having to pull their hair out

00:10:38:22 - 00:10:41:18 and double check all these things, especially about intake paperwork.

00:10:42:00 - 00:10:45:05 And then there are still some other components to the law.

00:10:45:05 - 00:10:47:06 Well, Jordan, you had to talk about your favorite one.

00:10:47:06 - 00:10:48:06 Okay.

00:10:48:07 - 00:10:50:11 I've never been a it is. It's called first draft.

00:10:50:11 - 00:10:53:21 I it's by far because this was my big pain point

00:10:53:22 - 00:10:56:02 when I was practicing, especially with a bunch of attorneys.

00:10:56:07 - 00:10:58:06 I was talking to Ricci about this earlier.

00:10:58:06 - 00:11:01:16 When you have you know, you're in your office and it's 11 p.m.

00:11:01:16 - 00:11:03:17 and you're drafting this final order

00:11:03:17 - 00:11:06:22 and then you remembered, oh, there's this specific provision that I used

00:11:06:22 - 00:11:10:19 in this case three years ago, but I don't remember what the case is called.

00:11:11:00 - 00:11:12:12 So now you're wandering around

00:11:12:12 - 00:11:15:12 trying to figure out, Oh, hey, partner, do you know what this case is?

00:11:15:12 - 00:11:16:22 And you're going throughout your whole office

00:11:16:22 - 00:11:18:00 trying to figure out what

00:11:18:00 - 00:11:21:12 case this is or where it's from, say that you can find that specific provision.

00:11:21:18 - 00:11:23:16 Well, this eliminates that, essentially.

00:11:23:16 - 00:11:26:00 So you can just ask first draft.

00:11:26:03 - 00:11:29:20 I give me this provision and you don't have to remember what case it's from.

00:11:29:20 - 00:11:31:23 You just have to remember that it's the provision that you want.

00:11:31:23 - 00:11:36:12 So to me, one of the coolest features, because it was a huge pain point for me

00:11:36:12 - 00:11:38:15 because we had thousands of cases, right?

00:11:38:15 - 00:11:43:03 Or sometimes you would have a case where, you know, a senior partner

00:11:43:03 - 00:11:46:02 remembers that they did this years ago, but they don't remember the case.

00:11:46:02 - 00:11:48:06 Same. You didn't work on the case. You know nothing about it.

00:11:48:12 - 00:11:50:20 There's good luck finding it in the thousands of cases

00:11:50:20 - 00:11:51:17 that are in your system.

00:11:51:17 - 00:11:52:21 So it's just one of those things

00:11:52:21 - 00:11:55:14 that you could add to your practice that'll make it next level.

00:11:55:23 - 00:11:57:16 Again, a very common problem for anybody

00:11:57:16 - 00:11:59:13 who's ever practice law, probably anybody who does anything.

00:11:59:13 - 00:12:01:19 You're just finding that remembering

00:12:01:19 - 00:12:05:14 where the heck was was it that way that I had that right?

00:12:05:14 - 00:12:06:23 Or, hey, if you put in there,

00:12:06:23 - 00:12:11:00 I just want to give me a petition for a divorce that deals with X, Y, Z.

00:12:11:09 - 00:12:13:22 Yeah, right. Pop up. Right. You already have all those provisions.

00:12:13:22 - 00:12:18:02 But the other one that we have and I'm Ruchi you'll talk about our insights.

00:12:18:12 - 00:12:19:12 This is the BO.

00:12:19:12 - 00:12:22:00 This is at the end of the day, if you are a firm owner,

00:12:22:00 - 00:12:25:21 you're running a business and it's what it what's going on in your business?

00:12:25:21 - 00:12:28:06 What is your staff doing? Where are they spending their time?

00:12:28:06 - 00:12:29:16 How much money are you making?

00:12:29:16 - 00:12:31:11 What are my most profitable matters?

00:12:31:11 - 00:12:34:11 And so insight is going to help, I would say a nine,

00:12:34:19 - 00:12:38:18 maybe the non-financial firm owner be able to access that information

00:12:38:18 - 00:12:43:06 in a much easier way and be able to simply ask, who's earning me the most money?

00:12:43:06 - 00:12:45:01 Who's collecting me the most money?

00:12:45:01 - 00:12:47:11 Which is maybe more important than just spilling it out.

00:12:47:12 - 00:12:51:01 And instead of, you know, having to deal with a bunch of Excel sheets

00:12:51:01 - 00:12:54:23 and reporting it, just simply being able to have a conversation with this tool

00:12:55:04 - 00:12:59:07 and it being able to tell you where your profitability and productivity lies,

00:12:59:07 - 00:13:03:15 I think is going to be very powerful, especially for the non business

00:13:03:15 - 00:13:07:00 savvy firm owner, which there are a lot of out there.

00:13:07:12 - 00:13:10:02 I think what really struck me when I first heard about this news

00:13:10:02 - 00:13:13:06 this week is, is the end in nature of it to be

00:13:13:06 - 00:13:16:09 you really covering the full workflow lifecycle

00:13:16:09 - 00:13:20:11 for law practice for what you do and for what a lawyer does as well.

00:13:20:11 - 00:13:22:18 And it seems like it's almost like that's by design.

00:13:22:21 - 00:13:23:16 Oh, boy.

00:13:23:16 - 00:13:24:01 Yeah, it is.

00:13:24:01 - 00:13:26:18 If you plant it, every single thing that we do, it's mobile.

00:13:26:18 - 00:13:30:01 All of our product enhancements and our features are around

00:13:30:04 - 00:13:33:22 the lifecycle of a firm finding and engaging the work, doing and managing

00:13:33:22 - 00:13:36:15 the work, collecting and billing the work, and then tracking the work

00:13:36:15 - 00:13:38:08 and going back to that productivity.

00:13:38:08 - 00:13:40:18 So every single thing you'll ever see Smokeball

00:13:40:18 - 00:13:45:07 do will speak to that ecosystem and we don't want you to live outside of it.

00:13:45:07 - 00:13:47:13 That's where you are, right? We want to keep you there.

00:13:48:00 - 00:13:49:14 We've just got a second left, I think, here.

00:13:49:14 - 00:13:50:22 But anything else?

00:13:50:22 - 00:13:52:07 Any closing thoughts on this?

00:13:52:07 - 00:13:54:00 Honestly, as we started,

00:13:54:00 - 00:13:58:01 we think those who are leveraging AI in a safe way are going to be left behind.

00:13:58:09 - 00:14:02:06 And we encourage everybody to play around with everything out there

00:14:02:06 - 00:14:05:07 and really embrace this because it is coming fast,

00:14:05:08 - 00:14:07:06 going to change the legal landscape.

00:14:07:06 - 00:14:10:08 Well, Ruchi and Jordan, thanks so much for chatting with me today.

00:14:10:09 - 00:14:12:08 That does it for today's episode of LawNextPR.

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